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Files Show how LA Church Leaders Shielded . . .

by ABibleStudent in

no it was not the wtbts.

it was the roman catholic archdiocese.

even dissention within a hierarchical organization cannot guarantee that the rights of individuals will be protected.

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AbibleStudent-

Yes the title makes all the difference . I only read this one (last) after passing it over many times, and that b/c of the siren-chasing topic.

Okage's thread title, '' Would this work? Be honest. Brutal, if necessary.'', gave hope that we could do something effective- and within that same day, the first page of comments came from people willing and ready to do so. There are still posters 4 days later expressing the same interest. I offered an idea also, it was discredited, but fair enough...so.. what CAN we come up with that might expose the WT, or cause it to loose credibility, or make it easier for people to leave the WT without family persecution?

I like your idea, okage too, has a great zest for ideas - I feel there will be loads of support on JWN for a decent plan or two, or three....we got some smart caring people here.

Keep the discussion going , maybe on it's original thread... I'm still in, and so are others just today...

GfG

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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.

by okage in

i feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .

to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.

but that's not our goal.

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Hello Tec- I always value you viewpoints.

You make a very apropriate point about youthful baptisms. The courts recognize the immaturityof those under adult age, and do not hold them legaly responsible in many situations, especially if duress and pressures have been applied by older ones (a WT specialty).

A letter of refusal from the branch offfice, in response to a well worded request for annulment, should prove sufficient humanitarian need to seek the courts assistance for relief.

The legal ramifications, of punishing someone for exercising their freedom of religion, still intrigues me in spite of my shellacing by Chaserious - who seems to grasp the principles better than I.

Tec, please keep processing these ideas with your unique Christian viewpoint, and share the thoughts that come from it.

GfG

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Google results

by Jeffro in

every now and then i check statistics for my 607-related articles.

recently, someone has searched for "vat 4956 watchtower", so i went to google to see where my site comes up in the page ranking.. the first entry in the search results is a reference to the watchtower online library, with a reference to their 2011 attempt at defending their doctrine.. and immediately below it is a link to my rebuttal of the same article.

some other actual google searches people have made to get to my site where my pages are in the first page of google's results:.

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Jeffro - well done to you, and yes the internet is ggggggreat.

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Give me good honest reasons why you will ..............

by Phizzy in

jw
friends

attend the memorial this year..

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Tec -

I think you're right in wanting to show respect for a mans great sacrifice.

Jgnat-

I have not been to the KH for about 18 years. I am DF'd or DA'd - not sure which, as no one ever told me - but they sure got the shunning part done.

I am planning to attend this year, and to 'partake' as a 'silent protester'.

I am determinded to find some way to participate, in forcing a change, any change, upon the witnesses that can only be atributed to apostates and not 'holy spirit'.

The WT loves memorial night for it's attendance figures - misconstrued to appear as potential studies or converts. They will soon be forced to discontinue partakers counts , as mentally unstable and mentally diseased ones are already discrediting a count-downward figure for the remaining annointed. They proudly paraded those declining numbers for years, as further proof of the nearness of the end- no any more!

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Give me good honest reasons why you will ..............

by Phizzy in

jw
friends

attend the memorial this year..

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A fascinating blog ''year of Sundays'' by former JW, Joel Gunz of Oregon, gives a humourous and courageous look at his experience in returning to the KH at the memorial, and 'partaking' for the first time.

This couple spent a year visiting a variety of religions and services - and briefly critique what they find. They have some really pleasant surprises!

Sould we, should we do the same? A good little read, for all us JWN types.

GfG

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Question to re-instated ones or those who know them

by ItsMyLife in

hi guys and gals.

i hope you're all enjoying your lives, whatever path you have chosen.. i have a question for anyone who is currently re-instated, has previously been re-instated, or knows and is still in contact with a re-instated one.. my question is this:.

is the main reason for getting re-instated:.

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My kids who are still in, are the ones that want me to 'fake it' back in.

Shunning is not just difficult for those kicked out, but for those in as well.

If it were just a matter of a single meeting, and tickling some ears, I would do it.

I've even come to admire the pragmatic way the Catholics dispatch sin, and penance so efficiently with a wing and a prayer, and let people simply reset their lives to their pre-sin parameters.

But I've already wasted too much of my life in their cult, and I haven't got another brain cell to sacrifice to their drivel.

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JEHOVAH NEEDS YOUR MONEY FOR 2014!!!!!!!!

by DATA-DOG in

has anyone else recieved the letter from the gb about international conventions in 2014?

according to the letter the missionarys/order of full time servants desperately need to get to the conventions in their homeland.

so to accomplish this, jehovah needs 15 cents per publisher, per congregation for some months ( sorry i can't remember the exact length of time ).

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Arboles -

Congregation Camps - - tee hee hee!

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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.

by okage in

i feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .

to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.

but that's not our goal.

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LostGeneration-

it's not worth wasting time 'bringing down the Watchtower.'

I could not agree more - it will self destruct in the fullness of its own madness.

But I had hoped for a way to challenge the one and only bite in their bark, to reunite those already separated and spare those in the future

The only teeth they posess is the ability to cause division and pain among families. When the Nazis couldn't find an enemy, they would just murder his family -same pain, probably even more.

It seems they define a certain class of people (discreet and insular?), label them - apostates, describe them at lenth in their publications as 'mentally diseased etc. and incite the general population, through their magazines to view them with distain, mistrust and and coerce their menbers to ostracize the entire group, without knowledge nor cause.

The possibility of apostates and other DF,DA's having the unique resouces(harmed lives) to lobby for change, seemed just to delicous to dismiss out of hand. The irony of preempting 'noo lite' seems like reward unto itself.

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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.

by okage in

i feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .

to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.

but that's not our goal.

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But there is no such thing as a giant class action against a Church for all different kinds of emotional harm.

Are there not class actions against the RC church because of molestations etc., on the grounds of emotional harm done the victims? I believe there are sucvh cases still going in Eastern Canada.

You cannot sue churches for matters relating to core religous doctrines that you don't like.

Chaserious- the harm is not caused by doctrine -which is just words - (although just words can be a danger to society) no, the harm is caused by the intent the WT puts those words to - coerced , systematic, publicly displayed, reality that people are abandoned and shunned by loved ones. I personally don't give a damn about doctrine , but I am harmed, and enraged by the separation artificialy inserted, and enforced into my family unit.

If anyone has individually been harmed by the WTS to the extent that the law recognizes a remedy, or a plausible argument can be made that the law should recognize a remedy, then by all means they should bring a lawsuit

It is my understanding, if I read the thousands of posts here correctly, that indeed, thousands of people have already suffered harm from the WT's intentional interference in their familial love. The exasperation, heartbreak and anger where whathave brought them here for support, comfort and help in coping - with what is undeniably a harm both unatural and inhumane-and completely unnecessary.

refusing to allow black couples to have a wedding ceremony in the church, guess what? They could do it right now, in 2013, and they could not be sued.

Please , somebody tell me this isn't so!

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i got to say "i'm not interested"

by joyfulfader in

2 sisters came to the door and since i dont live in the territory they dont know me and i got to say "i'm not interested" for the first time :).

it felt awesome.

didnt have a chance to engage in conversation as i was quite busy but it was a nice first for me..

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Joyfulfader - Quite a feeling isn't it, to be on the other side of the door? I like your choice of topix for their next call 'loving shunning' - sounds like a country song. I always talk to them - they don't know I am DF'd so it goes along pleasantly as can be - I disagree in the nicest way possible, and state my views politely and honestly, everbody parts happy.